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  • paulcao1978
    01-30 09:57 AM
    Pappu, what are the anti-immigration websites you talked about? I'm curious and want to see what they are thinking. thanks.
    Hope sth will happen in Feb. :)

    These are small regulations that agencies can do. But even for such changes, the time period to get it done is very long (several months to a year). At least DOL woke up and acted. It will still leave a door open for sellers to stay happy and able to substitute labor. However it is not easy to find a buyer of a LC in 45 days.

    All these are small problems compared to retrogression. Labor substitution rule will not get any visible or any noticeable relief to us. We will continue to stay retrogressed and wait for another 10-15 years for our greencards. It is important for us to contnue to fight to end retrogression by getting a legislative change done. As long as members are there to support IV, the organization will use every means to get relief measures for all of us. The coming months are crucial to our struggle. We need to stay united and continue the effort of making this organization a formidable force on the hill. IV members writing negative comments on various forums or feel disheartened should know that to get even a smallest job done is not easy. They are not only harming the whole effort and making anti immigrants happy, but also harming themselves by hurting this cause. Sometimes it is sad to read such negatve comments when you know how hard it is to work with limited time, resources, manpower and lack of much needed motivation in members.

    BTW In our recent efforts we did give anti-immigrants shivers down their spine. It can be seen from their posts on their sites and also the hate mails they write on our forum and send to core members. You dont see a lot of it because we moderate posts. We are not scared of anyone. All this has only made our resolve stronger to fight it out and fix the system.

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  • pa_arora
    06-12 03:35 PM
    Not true...

    In the EB base, only 1 GC is counted for all family members. How can it count more than one if it is a derivative of an employment visa? It might count against the Family base even though primary applicant is EB-based. Not the other way around.
    U r wrong here my friend. In EB, visa number is counted for each dependent.

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  • msp1976
    02-11 06:50 PM
    visves, Longq, alisa...

    We have a difference of opinion on how the law is interpreted....

    I believe that visves interpretation is correct....But there is always a small chance that longq does followup with a lawsuit, USCIS would budge...

    if longq wants to gather some EB2 India/China and have a crack at suing USCIS as a personal level....( i.e.not using IV's resources).....I guess no one can stop him...I am EB3/India....So that suing does not benefit me anyway...

    The common denominator for all of us is increasing the total numbers......

    If members want to pursue certain things on their own at personal level..I cannot do anything ...after all it is a free country...

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  • kaisersose
    11-02 03:19 PM
    nope, if the alternative to the GC system is outsourcing (as you yourself mentioned) all the profits go to big corporations and our salaries are spent in India. The corporations are notorious for avoiding taxes so teh government gets nothing. By making us stay here longer (on H1 or GC) we end up spending our salaries here, paying taxes, paying social security, paying medicare.

    65K H1-Bs earning 70k a year is 4.5 billion dollars. 140K new GC holders each year earning the same comes out to 10 billion dollars. Out of that taxes alone are an easy couple of billion or more dollars. Then take into account the side-effect (we buy cars, we buy appliances, we rent apartments) and the contributions we make to this economy are a lot.

    And to say that we are stealing jobs is also inaccurate. There is nothing called stealing-a-job. In general every job is worth how much someone is willing to be paid to do it. If an American citizen wants 100K and the GC holder wants 90K and the H1-B visa guy wants 80K (and all of them are going to work in the same city and same office) the job is worth 80K. The H1-B visa holder is not stealing a job. The days of knowing HTML tags and commanding a salary of 100K a year (1999-2000) are long gone and now replaced by 'that kind of work gets done in India or Ukraine for 10k a year'. Looking at the resumes we got in response to job ads placed in the last 3 companies I worked for, there are simply not enough qualified americans interested. Thats a fact. So the IT sector needs help from abroad to get the job done. They can either send the work over, or bring the people here. Bringing the people here also benefits the rest of the economy.

    I did not say outsourcing is the only alternative. I said they will have their own people take these jobs or if not, they will ship out these jobs. Do we really believe there aren't enough Americans to handle IT work in America?

    H-1b is not cheap labor. American companies prefer to hire H-1bs with US master's degrees or with substantial amounts of US experience. When they do hire foreigners, they do not discriminate against them by paying them lesser.

    H-1bs are abused by desi vendors and the like who take advantage of the indenturing nature of the visa and also on the naivety of "fresh off the boat" people who newly arrive into the US and are unfamilar with US economy. They are starry eyed, still busy converting each dollar into their local currency and feeling happy they are earning relatively more and dreaming about paying off their EMIs back home, sooner. It takes quite a few months for them to settle down and understand US dynamics.

    Lastly, we should not confuse the need for H-1bs as equal to the need for GC holders. Take the example of middle eastern countries. They use foreign labor, but they never grant them permanent status. That way, they do not get stuck with them in the event of a downturn. American could have chosen to follow a similar model. Use H-1b temps when necessary and send them out when they are expendable. They have no reaons to hand out GCs, like I said earlier. The benefit is all ours.


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  • ronhira
    07-18 06:54 AM
    dear mr. "audience",

    one more "highly skilled" immigrant thinks she/he is "audience".... "audience"!!!! nice

    life is going waste in gc backlog but .... "audience", oh and someone forgot to ask, while you are watching this movie titled 'my life is being wasted in gc backlog'.... would you like to get some popcorn and coke with it..... why? because that's what "audience" do..... they enjoy the game and movie when someone else is doing something..... but the "audience" sit on the sidelines and watch

    you seem to very much enjoy this movie 'my life is being wasted in gc backlog'? with your kind of star cast it has got to be a grammy winner... thank you mr. "audience" for the wonderful performance.... time for you to speak out your garmmy winner speech, and don't forget to thank all the people on that list.... aila aila aila aila aila aila, and btw, and whom are we forgetting, did you miss out aila

    Paskal, You are right - I do not understand. But mostly I cannot understand because as an organisation - you do not explain. Frankly, all I can do is register my disappointment at both your response and your attitude.While I get it that IV is actively involved in doing things over the years aimed at resolving this issue, I might feel that I could respect and maybe even understand these efforts better if IV kept its website up to date and all members who sign in updated on what's happening.

    I have often seen threads on this site that have members complaining that IV is not doing anything - to which invariably the response is that one should join the donor forum. On the other hand we get newsletters from admin that ask up to tighten our belts etc. - and get more involved. Well, that cannot happen unless IV provides more updated information on what IV is actually doing, veiled references to behind the scenes activity and years of hard work are not enough to involve all those who have signed up here to become 'more involved'.

    As for this discussion going nowhere I could not agree more - you see to have an open discussion or indeed debate - there must be at least 2 willing participants. And since you have already decided that you do not have time for the Qs of a mere non-paying member of this forum, I do not expect any better.

    By the way, the way ahead is not to close doors, but to welcome questions and encourge those on this forum with curiosity to be more active. More often than not, I have seen that those who Q on this forum, are mocked, ignored, and treated as if they are wasting CORE's time. Sad for a forum that hopes to involve a wider audience in this issue.


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  • eyeswe
    03-17 05:22 AM
    I thought EB2 vs EB3 is mainly determined by what your job requires.. You may have a Masters but if your JD does not require one, the company cannot file you on EB2.


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  • vandanaverdia
    09-11 11:58 AM
    Guys, there is a fund drive for 30k in 8 days, please help us to achieve the goal and contribute. 18k more to go.
    Help IV help you... Come to DC!!!

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  • vrs
    07-19 07:51 AM
    Contributed $20 using Bill Pay with more to follow.


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  • ElectricGrandpa
    06-19 05:23 PM
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  • belmontboy
    04-20 04:56 PM
    getgreen and bboy this is for you .......

    dont mind the hypocrites here. They are blinded by frustration and have lost their minds. In fact, at this rate, the time may not be far away when they decide to bid adieu

    ignoring you again :D


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  • Bytes4Lunch
    08-20 01:03 PM
    very good information. Thanks add78.

    Small query. If I am in my sixth year of H1B today, and if I file for H1 extension,
    1. with same employer, I actually got 3 years extension. (being 140 approved)
    2. with diff. employer, would I get 3 years or just six months, or not at all?

    With different employer, you can get 3 years as well, if the new employer has filed for a new PERM and you have received an approved I-140.

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  • darslee
    07-14 07:26 PM
    Signed earlier :)


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  • confu
    09-17 11:47 AM
    5882 might be after the recess, as 6020 might take sometime.


    I agree with your view

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  • i4u
    11-19 08:47 AM
    Anybody who has had a parent with diabetes and taken insurance? If there were any problems, did the insurance pay the costs? If possible can you also mention what problems came up during the stay.



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  • sanju
    03-11 11:38 AM
    I repeat my request to admins. BAN sanju. He is a menace to this forum. I would like to ask the admins, why is there a favourable bias towards him? Anyother person would have been banned a long time ago. Look at all his previous posts.

    oh ya, I remember you from the days of mumbai attack when you were supporting the terrorist and acting like their spokesperson, right?


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  • sc3
    09-17 01:23 PM
    What is the senate equivalent of this bill? I believe there is one, anyone remembers the number?


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  • gk_2000
    04-22 07:54 PM
    Ok. But how does this apply to immigration?

    On the page you quote, below is what I see -

    The Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice enforces federal laws that prohibit discrimination in:

    Public Accommodations
    Law Enforcement / Police Misconduct

    The "per-country limit" is definitely unfair within the realm of employment-based immigration due to the outdated and irrelevant law which needs reform. However skewing this to make it a civil rights issue is pushing it a bit too much.

    So coming back to Immigration (which is what, I believe, we are discussing), below is what I came across on

    The Supreme Court has ruled that the Congressional power to regulate naturalization, from Article 1, Section 8, includes the power to regulate immigration (see, for example, Hampton v. Mow Sun Wong, 426 U.S. 88 [1976]

    In other words, the Constitution does not specifically mention immigration but based on the above, delegates power to the Congress to pass laws to regulate immigration. This Article of the Constitution also clarifies the part about rules for immigrants and quotas being set at the Federal level and not State level.

    The above is a fact, not my opinion. Therefore, No - I do not agree that your reasoning has any direct parallel to our case since the correct approach and reasoning involves challenging a Supreme Court Ruling on Article 1 of the Constitution, which you would agree is next to impossible.

    There are far too many points here to address at one go. Let me touch upon this for starters:

    The Article 1, Section 8 has this clause, regarding the power of congress:

    Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

    Are we disputing the fact that congress has the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization?
    No. We are not. We are just saying, that the current Rule of Naturalization is in violation of the discrimination clause in the constitution, and ought to be disregarded. We are not asking to strip congress of this power, so this argument you make is not relevant. Agreed?

    More later ..

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  • bklog_sufferer
    06-07 08:59 AM
    Well said logiclife, I can't agree with you anymore and must say that I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.:)

    Is immigration a right? ABSOLUTELY.

    Well, over the past few months we have heard a lot of sound bites like �Immigration is a privilege, not a right�. �We are a country of immigrants but we are also a country of laws.� We will see about that in moment when we look at history and find out how lawful immigration has historically been.

    Let�s focus on one thing sorely missing from our community: The sense of entitlement.

    A lot of employment based immigrants in this country, legally here, on H1, L1, J1 etc. have asked themselves, �What right do I have to ask for change in laws or relief from congress? I am not even a citizen. Lobby congress? As an alien? Are you kidding me? Do you want to get deported? Do you realize you are going �against� the Government?�

    Therein comes the lack of sense of entitlement.

    First of all, legally speaking, there is no distinction between the constitutional rights of citizens and the constitutional rights of those who are non-citizens � legal or illegal. (Non-citizens are also called �aliens�, but I refrain from using that word whenever I remember coz none of us look like characters of Star Wars and we are not green-headed animals with 6 limbs, so I don�t consider myself an alien just because I was born somewhere else on the same planet).

    Second of all, as a person within the jurisdiction of the United States, the first amendment actually prohibits the congress from making any laws against stated rights � one of which is the right to petition the Government for redress of grievances. So not only its legal to do what we are doing, it unconstitutional to pass a law to make it illegal for us to petition (or lobby, advocate, litigate) government for a redress of grievances. And that first amendment isn�t changing, coz to change it, its going to need two-thirds of US congress and three-fourths of states to back it. And we all know, how lucky we are to have 51 senators agree on the fact that sun rises from the east.

    Earned Right or Birthright?

    The fact that you are here and you are here legally and working with the system to earn immigration is something you should be proud of. Not guilty of. If you treat yourself as guests, the government will treat you like a guest. I would rather treat myself two times the citizen. Why, coz it simply much harder to earn a citizenship than to be born into it. I believe that not only we deserve fair and speedy immigration, but also when we do become citizens we should have the privilege to give two votes in elections. Now, I am not trying to display chutzpah here. I am going to back up my claim with reason. See, a lot of us came here 5-10 years ago with almost no money. Many of us never received any formal education in America. However, we have been able to survive and keep a job in this country, even during the stock market crash of 2001 and the economic recession after that. No small feat. We are the last ones to leave the office at night (Actually, that is true for both legal and illegal workers, coz the legal computer programmer is still coding Java at 7:00 PM while the illegal janitor starts vacuuming the office). We relocate across states as-if its relocating 2 traffic lights away. We adapt to different employers, we adapt to all employers. And all these without driving down the wages. Yes, it�s true. We don�t depress the wages and we don�t steal jobs and the labor certification is designed to prevent that and it�s working. We all know how great its working and how intense the process is, especially those who are stuck in Philly and Dallas backlog creation centers.

    So, to sum it up, we have twice to right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, twice the right to everything. It�s an earned right, not a birthright. Our natural instinct should be to exercise the rights we have earned. If we cannot do it now, we are not going to really make anything out of citizenship of Greencard that we are pursuing.

    And coming back to the sound bites about privileges and �Nation of laws� coming out of Washington today, let me say this: The pilgrims, who dropped anchor near Cape Cod in 1620 didn�t go through a port of entry and get their passports stamped and their I-94s stapled. I don�t think the Indians were waiting at the coast of Virginia to stop immigrants. They just came. And they settled. And they called it home. No priority dates. No visa bulletins.

    So you see, what really matters here is whether you feel you are entitled to something or not. If you don�t feel entitled to a fair immigration process that does justice to those who seek legal ways to immigration, then you probably aren�t entitled. To ask for something, you must first believe that you deserve it. And to show that you deserve it, you must ask it loudly and clearly from rooftops. Don�t predict visa bulletins, but work to change and influence the visa bulletin 6 months from now. And no, you wont be deported for exercising that constitutional right.

    �Our ancestors ... possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice has placed them.�

    � Thomas Jefferson (1743�1826, 3d President of the United States, author of the Declaration of Independence)

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  • gceverywhere
    01-31 07:46 PM
    thanks for leading this effort

    08-13 06:51 PM
    chaanakya i fully agree with your assessment!

    Yes, that is right, I said �plight of EB2-India�.

    I am a passive observer of these forums. But some of the ridiculous notions floating around here have motivated me to vent. First and foremost, the law as written is highly favorable to people in EB3 categories, even from India. Here is how...

    Take my example (and there are thousands like myself)....came to the US 8 years ago, spent 5 years working day and night to earn a PhD on a low (barely sustainable) stipend, got FIRST job saw decent money for the first time 6 years after I came.

    Now, compare this to a person working an EB3-job for the last 8 years. Not only does this person do a real job that hopefully provides a respectable income but this person also has the option of moving to EB2 after 5 years of experience. So, at the end of the day in 2008; this person comes out ahead of me in terms of money, in terms of priority date (if ported) and most likely in terms of GC.

    There are complaints all over the forum which have the stink of pretentiousness such as �oh..i am a poor EB3 waiting for n number of years� etc etc. What you guys seem to forget is that YOU are NOT an EB3, it is your JOB that is EB3. You have all the opportunities that were/are available to a person who sweated it out in the university system here to gain more qualifications and get an EB2 job. You CHOSE not to. The general discussion seems to center around cribbing about the US immigration system (Immigration by the way is a privilege defined by laws, not a birthright) and then blaming the EB2 crowd when they finally see the system implement the law as intended in the first place (horizontal spillover rules).

    All these posts that refer to �my career is over because my gc is delayed� are nothing but a pathetic excuse. Law of supply and demand....if you have a skillset that is valuable, you will be fine with or without GC anywhere in the world. It takes a bunch of documents to remain here legally, all you need is a passport to go back if the system here seems so bad.

    For all the attacks that are bound to happen, here is the fodder.....this is probably my first and last post, I haven�t contributed a dime to IV, will work here as long as I like it and if not, India is a great country and provides enough opportunities for any skillset !!

    02-27 02:14 PM
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