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07-15 07:42 AM
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santb1975
12-03 08:37 PM
to do this as well and doing it doesn't gaurantee a Good Return on Investment based on the past experience
I know we have set another reminder (with the 100's we already have), what is the biggest reason not to automate it ?
I know we have set another reminder (with the 100's we already have), what is the biggest reason not to automate it ?
samnay
04-08 09:14 AM
Just contributed $100 and asked several of my friends to join.
Btw, I do not see anthing in the amendments to address labor backlog reduction problem? Is that not goal of IV any more?
Btw, I do not see anthing in the amendments to address labor backlog reduction problem? Is that not goal of IV any more?
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fatjoe
09-15 06:27 PM
Could we keep calling, even after raising one SR?
Raised an SR on 08/25/2009. Took infopass on 09/02/2009 and came to know that mine, spose and the kid got pre-approved.
Recd a response for my SR on 09/04/2009 from uscis saying that my case is being actively processed. Called uscis again on 09/04/2009 and got good scoldings from the 2nd level CSR saying in a rude and harsh tone, that I have already raised an SR and am supposed to wait atleast for 60 days before calling again.
Could I still persevere and call uscis? I was never so anxiuos or dissappointed before at not getting email.
Actually, I thought what the heck and tried it from my personal email. And they responded in 2 days. The response was all BS...full of grammatical and factual errors with strange sentence constructions...seemed to have been texted by a highschooler.
What actually worked was POJ method of reaching NSC IO.
9/3/09: IO was curt, but I insisted on assigning my case to an IO.
9/4/09: IO was all sweet and honey...told me that my case had already been assigned to an IO because of my call the previous day. (This is important, folks - getting your case assigned to an IO). She was so approachable, I asked her if she could approve my case now. She obviously said no, but said she would see what she could do. This was the best response from NSC so far. Asked me to wait for one more day. It was long weekend, so had to wait 3 looooong days.
9/8/09: IO gave the approval news. 5 minutes later, my wife called and got a really annoying IO, who instead of looking up her case, went on a tirade. That night got the email.
9/14/09: Got the card.
I did try 2 Senator's office, a really hopeless CongressWoman, both Obamas, both Bidens, Napolitano, Mayorkas, Pelosi, Ombudsman, two NCSC SRs, AILA (through my attorney). And nothing worked. It was funny that the Senator's office called me to wait 60 more days. When I told her of my approval, she was short with me. So, in my case, nothing worked except the POJ method and personal perseverance. Keep on calling until you find a good IO to help you. Good luck!
Raised an SR on 08/25/2009. Took infopass on 09/02/2009 and came to know that mine, spose and the kid got pre-approved.
Recd a response for my SR on 09/04/2009 from uscis saying that my case is being actively processed. Called uscis again on 09/04/2009 and got good scoldings from the 2nd level CSR saying in a rude and harsh tone, that I have already raised an SR and am supposed to wait atleast for 60 days before calling again.
Could I still persevere and call uscis? I was never so anxiuos or dissappointed before at not getting email.
Actually, I thought what the heck and tried it from my personal email. And they responded in 2 days. The response was all BS...full of grammatical and factual errors with strange sentence constructions...seemed to have been texted by a highschooler.
What actually worked was POJ method of reaching NSC IO.
9/3/09: IO was curt, but I insisted on assigning my case to an IO.
9/4/09: IO was all sweet and honey...told me that my case had already been assigned to an IO because of my call the previous day. (This is important, folks - getting your case assigned to an IO). She was so approachable, I asked her if she could approve my case now. She obviously said no, but said she would see what she could do. This was the best response from NSC so far. Asked me to wait for one more day. It was long weekend, so had to wait 3 looooong days.
9/8/09: IO gave the approval news. 5 minutes later, my wife called and got a really annoying IO, who instead of looking up her case, went on a tirade. That night got the email.
9/14/09: Got the card.
I did try 2 Senator's office, a really hopeless CongressWoman, both Obamas, both Bidens, Napolitano, Mayorkas, Pelosi, Ombudsman, two NCSC SRs, AILA (through my attorney). And nothing worked. It was funny that the Senator's office called me to wait 60 more days. When I told her of my approval, she was short with me. So, in my case, nothing worked except the POJ method and personal perseverance. Keep on calling until you find a good IO to help you. Good luck!
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vdlrao
04-18 04:34 PM
This is just one example, which is showing that how, long waited, EB3 friends could port into EB2 with out any issues. CONGRATS JimyTomy for your new and colourful journey.
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willwin
08-13 12:02 PM
I think we should emphasize HR 5882 and write to:
1. The President ASAP
2. Immigration Subcommittee
3. All CHC members
The intention is to bring this bill to the floor this year and make sure it is passed.
I think people with PD 2001, 2002 and 2003 should definitely write as they have a better case than the 2006 or 2007 filers.
This is our last opportunity this year to let go.
1. The President ASAP
2. Immigration Subcommittee
3. All CHC members
The intention is to bring this bill to the floor this year and make sure it is passed.
I think people with PD 2001, 2002 and 2003 should definitely write as they have a better case than the 2006 or 2007 filers.
This is our last opportunity this year to let go.
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h1b_alex
03-29 03:43 PM
@snathan oh no he never got me any interviews , he was basking away in the sun with his wife on the hammock with him, these were all my efforts of trying to find a job somewhere by posting on job sites, calling up companies, using my friend's reference, but i realize that even doing that companies here follow a longer process or some no process to actually keep the candiate informed about the status. This was way different in my home country.
anyways yeah i know atleast 5 guys who have all been thru this company who have all flown in on their own and who did not blow the whistle.
anyways yeah i know atleast 5 guys who have all been thru this company who have all flown in on their own and who did not blow the whistle.
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mhathi
09-17 10:35 AM
Not started yet.. People slowly trickling in... no body is talking
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gsc999
07-11 01:26 AM
IMMIGRATION VOICE ACTION ALERT: 7/11/2007.
Dear Members:
Immigration Voice is organizing its first peaceful protest rally in San Jose, CA on July 14th in order to protest the broken system of legal high-skills immigration. This protest march is being organized to oppose the enormous visas backlogs in the employment based immigration system. This protest march is also intended to oppose the recent decision of USCIS to block the adjustment of status petitions in July resulting from an unprecedented out-of-order reversal on the part of DOS and USCIS.
Please join this rally in huge numbers to create more awareness in the Media, Congress and the Administration. We are already getting attention of Congress and the Administration due to recently published articles on the flower campaign in New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/us/11visa.html) and Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071002055.html) on July 11th. If you cannot join but if you know someone who lives in San Jose area and who doesn’t know about this effort, please ask him or her to join this rally. More numbers will get us more media coverage and more attention to this issue.
This rally has the potential to bring our issue to the attention of everyone, including the Silicon Valley tech employers who have a stake in the morale and productivity of the hi-tech foreign employees in their companies and their backlogged immigration.
EVENT:
Peaceful protest march by Legal Immigrants in San Jose, CA.
LOCATION:
The New City Hall
200 E Santa Clara St
San Jose, CA 95113
DATE:
Saturday July 14, 2007
TIME:
11:00 am To 2:30 pm
ORIGIN, DESTINATION, ROUTE & PARKING DETAILS:
11:00 AM: Meet at San Jose City Hall at 200 E Santa Clara St.
PARKING: (Free weekend parking in the 4th St. garage on 44 South Fourth St., & San Fernando St. across from the MLK Jr library; For other free parking areas in downtown San Jose see: http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php (http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php) )
1) 11:30 AM: Go to the square in front of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Library (150 E San Fernando St).
2) 12:30 PM: Walk towards 635 N 1st St through S 4th St, E San Carlos St, Market Street and N 1st Street.
3) 1:15 PM: Arrive at 635 N 1st St and stay till 2:00 PM
4) 2:30 PM: back to City Hall
IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER:
1) Abide by the laws.
2) Stay on sidewalks.
3) Follow traffic rules, show courtesy to other pedestrians.
4) Do not block building entrances.
5) Dress Professionally. No shorts or Bermudas. Wear formal dress clothes, semi-casual or business-casual.
WHAT TO BRING:
Plenty of water, snacks and sun block (if needed).
BANNERS AND SIGNS:
Do not bring your own signs. We will have banners and signs ready for you.
FOR DRIVING DIRECTIONS TO THE NEW CITY HALL IN SAN JOSE, SEE BELOW:
http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp (http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp)
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: Event leaders or organizers take no responsibility and will not be held responsible for any injuries or accidents that may occur during the posted events. It is your responsibility to abide by law. By joining this event, you are taking responsibility for your own safety and well-being.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Immigration Voice Core Team.
Dear Members:
Immigration Voice is organizing its first peaceful protest rally in San Jose, CA on July 14th in order to protest the broken system of legal high-skills immigration. This protest march is being organized to oppose the enormous visas backlogs in the employment based immigration system. This protest march is also intended to oppose the recent decision of USCIS to block the adjustment of status petitions in July resulting from an unprecedented out-of-order reversal on the part of DOS and USCIS.
Please join this rally in huge numbers to create more awareness in the Media, Congress and the Administration. We are already getting attention of Congress and the Administration due to recently published articles on the flower campaign in New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/us/11visa.html) and Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071002055.html) on July 11th. If you cannot join but if you know someone who lives in San Jose area and who doesn’t know about this effort, please ask him or her to join this rally. More numbers will get us more media coverage and more attention to this issue.
This rally has the potential to bring our issue to the attention of everyone, including the Silicon Valley tech employers who have a stake in the morale and productivity of the hi-tech foreign employees in their companies and their backlogged immigration.
EVENT:
Peaceful protest march by Legal Immigrants in San Jose, CA.
LOCATION:
The New City Hall
200 E Santa Clara St
San Jose, CA 95113
DATE:
Saturday July 14, 2007
TIME:
11:00 am To 2:30 pm
ORIGIN, DESTINATION, ROUTE & PARKING DETAILS:
11:00 AM: Meet at San Jose City Hall at 200 E Santa Clara St.
PARKING: (Free weekend parking in the 4th St. garage on 44 South Fourth St., & San Fernando St. across from the MLK Jr library; For other free parking areas in downtown San Jose see: http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php (http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php) )
1) 11:30 AM: Go to the square in front of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Library (150 E San Fernando St).
2) 12:30 PM: Walk towards 635 N 1st St through S 4th St, E San Carlos St, Market Street and N 1st Street.
3) 1:15 PM: Arrive at 635 N 1st St and stay till 2:00 PM
4) 2:30 PM: back to City Hall
IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER:
1) Abide by the laws.
2) Stay on sidewalks.
3) Follow traffic rules, show courtesy to other pedestrians.
4) Do not block building entrances.
5) Dress Professionally. No shorts or Bermudas. Wear formal dress clothes, semi-casual or business-casual.
WHAT TO BRING:
Plenty of water, snacks and sun block (if needed).
BANNERS AND SIGNS:
Do not bring your own signs. We will have banners and signs ready for you.
FOR DRIVING DIRECTIONS TO THE NEW CITY HALL IN SAN JOSE, SEE BELOW:
http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp (http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp)
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: Event leaders or organizers take no responsibility and will not be held responsible for any injuries or accidents that may occur during the posted events. It is your responsibility to abide by law. By joining this event, you are taking responsibility for your own safety and well-being.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Immigration Voice Core Team.
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Vexir
06-10 03:11 PM
Uh, can I redo my entry?
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snowshoe
04-26 02:06 PM
I heard about IV from the Washington Post article. Used the webfax service and then came across this forum. Just contibuted $40, and spread the word to my friends waiting for labor.
Good luck and good bye.
Good luck and good bye.
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ita
08-25 01:05 PM
what about the home loans from ICICI bank.
Which bank would be best bet to apply for home loans?
Appreciate suggestion in this context.
Thank you.
Which bank would be best bet to apply for home loans?
Appreciate suggestion in this context.
Thank you.
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Vexir
06-09 03:41 PM
:lol: as much as I hate wool that looks cool.
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mmanurker
08-11 11:52 AM
Done...
EB3-I - PD: Dec'2003
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dummgelauft
09-03 09:20 AM
Yes. They would need GC copy and they would update their records.
Your employer is responsible for keeping a track of your status, not yours. You may provide them a copy of your new status, but you do not have to, unless they ask for it.
Your employer is responsible for keeping a track of your status, not yours. You may provide them a copy of your new status, but you do not have to, unless they ask for it.
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indigokiwi
03-31 10:13 PM
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
^^^^^^^
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
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va_labor2002
07-26 04:21 PM
In the US for 11 years now. - 7th year H1B
Thanks for starting this topic!!! This could be an emotional thread for a lot of us who are still waiting for this rediculously long process of GC!!!!
More frustrating when:
Waited for 3++ yrs for the labor cert (PD Sept 2002)
Just submitted I140 (6/2006) but have to endure the fear that my EB2 will be kicked to EB3, which means RETROGRESSION!
With H4, wife cannot work. Going to school is too expensive..i can't afford it with my small salary
Stucked with current company...being under appreciated and under utilized by the current employer...not a place for me to build my CAREER!!!
Have potential contract jobs/independent consultant positions available (recruiters contacted me) which pay 50% than what i am making now...but can't accept those offers bcos of GC!!!!
So so tempted to return home for good (sick and tired of the WAIT), but Everyone was saying "u had waited for years now, so why not wait for another year or so to get it..don't waste the golden opportunity" But...but...is it really going to be just another YEAR? :rolleyes:
Sigh...sorry for venting...but i am really upset!
Going back to Career options...
**yeah, i would like to get a PMP cert, but it is pretty EXPENSIVE. But maybe some of us who done that can advice me.
**About buying houses....really clueless about it...really scare i will get ripped off by people..any advice?
** Yes..i want to know more about E-Visa and making $$ via online business!
Thanks all....
Sky
Look at my case.
1) EB3 PD March 2002. After more than 4 years I got my Labor.
2) Filed for I-140 . Cannot file 485 now.
3) H1B 9th year going on.
One good thing I did ,I bought a house in Dec 2002.Now If I sell the same house,I will get minimum 100K profit. I will get good appreciation now.I recommend you guys to buy a house now. It is the best time to buy a house,because it is "Buyers market" now ! You can make some money if you sell it later...
Thanks for starting this topic!!! This could be an emotional thread for a lot of us who are still waiting for this rediculously long process of GC!!!!
More frustrating when:
Waited for 3++ yrs for the labor cert (PD Sept 2002)
Just submitted I140 (6/2006) but have to endure the fear that my EB2 will be kicked to EB3, which means RETROGRESSION!
With H4, wife cannot work. Going to school is too expensive..i can't afford it with my small salary
Stucked with current company...being under appreciated and under utilized by the current employer...not a place for me to build my CAREER!!!
Have potential contract jobs/independent consultant positions available (recruiters contacted me) which pay 50% than what i am making now...but can't accept those offers bcos of GC!!!!
So so tempted to return home for good (sick and tired of the WAIT), but Everyone was saying "u had waited for years now, so why not wait for another year or so to get it..don't waste the golden opportunity" But...but...is it really going to be just another YEAR? :rolleyes:
Sigh...sorry for venting...but i am really upset!
Going back to Career options...
**yeah, i would like to get a PMP cert, but it is pretty EXPENSIVE. But maybe some of us who done that can advice me.
**About buying houses....really clueless about it...really scare i will get ripped off by people..any advice?
** Yes..i want to know more about E-Visa and making $$ via online business!
Thanks all....
Sky
Look at my case.
1) EB3 PD March 2002. After more than 4 years I got my Labor.
2) Filed for I-140 . Cannot file 485 now.
3) H1B 9th year going on.
One good thing I did ,I bought a house in Dec 2002.Now If I sell the same house,I will get minimum 100K profit. I will get good appreciation now.I recommend you guys to buy a house now. It is the best time to buy a house,because it is "Buyers market" now ! You can make some money if you sell it later...
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HopeSprings
07-16 01:24 PM
Guests and members,
Please take the time to sign this petition so that it can be delivered to CNN as soon as possible.
Signed with a stinking message.
Please take the time to sign this petition so that it can be delivered to CNN as soon as possible.
Signed with a stinking message.
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Openarms
06-13 10:18 AM
1) USCIS/State Dept has lost the credibility of the people, thus we should not rely on what they say in Visa Bulletins.
2) How come they wasted so many Visas since 2004 while they are saying VISA un available for EB3-India all along.
3) Why did they have not transferred EB3-ROW unused Visas to EB3-India,china categories all along?
4) How come they are transferring unused Visas to EB2-India with out any LAW passed by congress.
5) Why they can not do same thing for EB3-India and why do they need new LAW and why ask congress again. Even congress has showed lot of frustration about this but things won't happen there over night. They take years.
So the point is why USCIS not transferred unused EB3-ROW visas to EB3-India,china from 2004 to 2008????
I think leadership of IV needs to focus on this and I will be behind it.
2) How come they wasted so many Visas since 2004 while they are saying VISA un available for EB3-India all along.
3) Why did they have not transferred EB3-ROW unused Visas to EB3-India,china categories all along?
4) How come they are transferring unused Visas to EB2-India with out any LAW passed by congress.
5) Why they can not do same thing for EB3-India and why do they need new LAW and why ask congress again. Even congress has showed lot of frustration about this but things won't happen there over night. They take years.
So the point is why USCIS not transferred unused EB3-ROW visas to EB3-India,china from 2004 to 2008????
I think leadership of IV needs to focus on this and I will be behind it.
msp1976
02-08 05:31 AM
We always thought that there is 360k application in BEC and since those LC have PD from 2000 to 2005 there are no chances of fast movement of PD in year 2007 especially for EB3 and EB2(Indian , China).
After reading this news it seems employer withdrew many cases, which they filled for employee who no longer work for company, so certified case is going to be only 100k, much lesser then 360 k. How many more years it will take to clear these 100k LC? I don't think it should take more then 2 years...
But you know logic doesn�t work with US immigration system and we also don�t know how many people are applying through EB1 and EB2-ROW, which are current, we also don't know how many people are already sitting in 485 stage�
Let's go by the published percentages.....
21% closed + 11% withdrawn + 2% denied... = 33% fell off the wagon..
Let's assume that the same trend holds.....
At the end BEC ....out of 360K approx.....240K certification would come out....Margin of error let's bring the number down to 200K.......
Assume 1.1 spouse+child each principal....
That make total 410 K in the line just from BECs.....This is a conservative estimate...
The main problem is that 7% country quota hits too quickly for India/China...Then ROW remains current and USCIS would keep processing ROW as they keep coming...Where as we India/China keep waiting for the overflow to occur.....
There is no solution but to increase the total numbers...
After reading this news it seems employer withdrew many cases, which they filled for employee who no longer work for company, so certified case is going to be only 100k, much lesser then 360 k. How many more years it will take to clear these 100k LC? I don't think it should take more then 2 years...
But you know logic doesn�t work with US immigration system and we also don�t know how many people are applying through EB1 and EB2-ROW, which are current, we also don't know how many people are already sitting in 485 stage�
Let's go by the published percentages.....
21% closed + 11% withdrawn + 2% denied... = 33% fell off the wagon..
Let's assume that the same trend holds.....
At the end BEC ....out of 360K approx.....240K certification would come out....Margin of error let's bring the number down to 200K.......
Assume 1.1 spouse+child each principal....
That make total 410 K in the line just from BECs.....This is a conservative estimate...
The main problem is that 7% country quota hits too quickly for India/China...Then ROW remains current and USCIS would keep processing ROW as they keep coming...Where as we India/China keep waiting for the overflow to occur.....
There is no solution but to increase the total numbers...
Macaca
03-09 09:46 AM
I dont think any of your postings are less stimulating but I guess there is no big impact on these free lunchers.
Very true. Here is an example. Item 3 in following post is to decide the importance of contributing $20/month to the member.
Stephen Covey Quotes to help members focus on their responsibilities.
Our character is basically a composite of our habits. Because they are consistent, often unconcious patterns, they constantly, daily, express our character.
If we keep doing what we're doing, we're going to keep getting what we're getting.
Most people struggle with life balance simply because they haven't paid the price to decide what is really important to them.
We are the creative force of our life, and through our own decisions rather than our conditions, if we carefully learn to do certain things, we can accomplish those goals.
Effective leadership is putting first things first. Effective management is discipline, carrying it out.
The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
The key is not to prioritize what's on your schedule, but to schedule your priorities.
The responses are
Oh boy!
Macaca u sound like an old KaKa .........
Very true. Here is an example. Item 3 in following post is to decide the importance of contributing $20/month to the member.
Stephen Covey Quotes to help members focus on their responsibilities.
Our character is basically a composite of our habits. Because they are consistent, often unconcious patterns, they constantly, daily, express our character.
If we keep doing what we're doing, we're going to keep getting what we're getting.
Most people struggle with life balance simply because they haven't paid the price to decide what is really important to them.
We are the creative force of our life, and through our own decisions rather than our conditions, if we carefully learn to do certain things, we can accomplish those goals.
Effective leadership is putting first things first. Effective management is discipline, carrying it out.
The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
The key is not to prioritize what's on your schedule, but to schedule your priorities.
The responses are
Oh boy!
Macaca u sound like an old KaKa .........
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